Policy analyst Jake Fogleman joined the George Brauchler Show on 710 KNUS to talk about the sky-high energy bills Xcel customers have been seeing this winter due to a pancaking series of rate hikes granted by the Colorado Public Utilities Commission.

They also discuss who is ultimately to blame for those rate hikes, the reality of climate change, and the state’s climate policy over the next decade.

The segment runs from 0:35-20:30.